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More Freedom in Wyvern
I think this game really lacks freedom, small things like not being to pick up items on the ground, being able to offer items at the price you want, there are restrictions on everything, can't even pk another pk guildember in most places, can't casts spells in town, from what I have seen, wizards get involved way to much, even in minor situations.
Wyvern is not a family game. Graphical muds are not the type of games that little kids like to play. Almost all of the people playing this game are over the age of 13. Wyvern has gotten a lot better than it used to be in the past, but the player base is only a fraction of what it used to be, because there is a lot less freedom now. All these restrictions on everything really take the fun out of the game. Should Wyvern let the players have more freedom? what do you guys think? |
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Overall, I agree with your sentiments.
However, as I see it, wyvern will continue to become more restrictive, because it seems that that is the sort of game that Rhialto would like it to be. One reason I don't really play much anymore is that I find no reason to spend time on on something that is changing away from things I value. You could think of games like these as almost having an alignment. Wyvern would be considered quite "lawful" (every aspect of what you do has rules of what you can and cannot do. In addition, not doing what you "should not" do is also expected of you), while a game such as crossfire would be considered quite "chaotic" (Anything goes expect for some mild decency standards [if even that]. Find a bug? Report it, then take advantage of it while you can). It should be said that each way of leaning for a game has many upsides and downsides. I myself heavily value the "chaotic" side of the spectrum, and tend to find lawful games less fun. This is probably the result of my "open source/notsolegal" electronic self upbringing. |
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I agree about the wizards interfering too much. The rules say they're supposed to avoid interference.
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I'll take his word over yours.
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First of all you must understand why the rules are in place. Rhialto does not want players to be able to help their alternate characters, and the only way to do that is to limit things such as Picking up items, giving items to other players, Etc.
Some rules like the max and min on items are so people don't sell valuable items to their friends for cheap. Or making a price too much and giving an unfair deal to another player. The rules are not set just because, each one is for a reason. If the wizards find a way to prevent people from helping their alts, maybe they will put giving items back, maybe not. You just have to roll with the punches.
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1. Don't intervene unless it's absolutely necessary. Players should learn how to settle disputes on their own, and they shouldn't consider wiz intervention an entitlement. Generally speaking, the less wiz intervention there is, the better. Firstly, I find this extremely amusing coming from you who was just going on about wizards not doing anything about an argument in shouts at 2 AM in the morning (chances are we weren't watching and missed the whole thing, but still, the fact that you were complaining that we didn't do something when now championing this rule is a great bit of hypocritical behavior). Secondly, you interperted the rule improperly. It has to do with intervening (not interfering) in player disputes which do not cross a line into breaking rules. We follow this rule strictly and repeatedly ignore little quibbles between you people and only say something when it turns into flaming, spam, harassment, etc. In which case we usually just ask the parties involved to continue it privately unless it's really over the line. While you may think the times we do get involved (in an adminstrative aspect) are too much, they are always because a rule has been broken and as such we are staying true to the rules which you do not understand. |
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Paint half of my face in blue.
Hail shout: Freeedooomm.... |
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And I wasn't complaining so much as informing you guys. You were claiming that there are ALWAYS wizards online, but that doesn't seem likely. Usually, even if wizards are busy, they'll notice the chaos in shouts within about an hour. Arilou, you're actually not too bad about breaking this rule. I guess I should've been more specific about who is doing this. Some wizards do a very good job of following this rule, but others fail epicly. |
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Which is the point. You referenced the rules to better state your case. However, the only rule which restricts wizard intervention has to do with arguments (that do not break a rule).
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Speaking as someone who has spent a lot of time logged in during the night, I know first hand how easy it is to miss things going on in those early hours. You'd think with less players shouting that wouldn't be the case, but there are also less wizards around so rather than scrolling through everything to see what was said in wiz-tells while you were working in another window and spending longer periods of time on the client just chatting in wiz-tells you end up spend quite a bit of solo time just working (plus, during the day, it's likely that one wizard out of those that are online won't be idle when something happens thus things get caught more then when there are only one or two wizards online). Meanwhile you leave yourself logged in mostly because you can and while you have the option to test something should you need to, that doesn't come up very often. Of course, there are times when I like to take short breaks to see what's going on in the game, but there are also times when I get caught up in what I am doing and can't be bothered with what's going on in shouts. |
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Lol, I understand Arilou, really. I'm not complaining about wizards not catching this stuff, I'm just pointing it out. What I am complaining about is getting muted and having no idea why, then getting muted again when I ask about it. But, like I said, you're not the one, or even one of the ones, that I have this problem with. |
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If you have a question about why you are punished (which I cant imagine you would have, honestly) you need to ingame mail the wizard who punished you, not shout about whatever the punishment may be. Also, just because you don't see things done in public to other players does not mean they weren't punished/warned. You will rarely know what was done to other players unless they care to share it with you. But this forum is also not the place to bring up complaints about personal punishments. As one of the threads tells you. If you have problems, ingame mail that wizard. Tesh |
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This has sadly turned into a non productive thread. So I am locking it after moving and deleting posts.
Please feel free to begin another with valid suggestions and ideas as was started. Tesh |