Rate my joke ranger :D

[Narhalles]

I kill ploog cause he can't hit me before he dies.


And what level 22 rouge?

[Narhalles]

I said I might be able too, infact it might even be probable. I am not sure though because I have never fought him.

I ma very confident of my build though.


You will note That I never said I COULD DEFINATELY take Pruflus.

[Hamel]

I could kill yee all very easily.... as long as all yee be on 1 health.
And right by me.... And yee all ban't be usin
magic.... and yee dun't muve too fast.... and dun't have too much healing...
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[Hamel]

<!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt="Crying or Very sad" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s --> Fine i'll just go then,Forever, *Sniff* And stay misserable....

[Narhalles]

ummm no I said I could kill Ploog yes... and I said I might be able to take PRUFLUS!!!!



Gahhh


and lol last time I PKed Ploog he was level 23.

[Oriso]

*coughyouguysareofftopiccough*

Would Magic whip with static blade be better or a non-magical whip with static and vampire blade? And.. uhh.. Does vampire blade drain hp?

[Narhalles]

you obviously don't remember lol.... it was my first time in BRMA on EgoMachine and I saw you and had a heart attack when you started chasing me. You cornered me and next thing I know You dissiapear.... then some nagga walks up and killed me.

[Narhalles]

Egomachine is levedl 18 actually. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s -->


and Yeah I prolly could take you... with my 6 whip skill I deal 150+ damage a hit. Think you can survive long enough to hit your heal alias? <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

[Oriso]

Narhalles, I'm pretty sure having a low whips skill only helps for recoil, which I don't believe happens in PvP. Therefore... 25 whips ***s 6 whips. &lt;_&lt;

...and I thought your build in the skillset discussion thread had 25 whips, if im not mistaken. In fact.. here's what you posted there, for a human/halfling, however.

Whips = 25
Air = 25
Death = 25
life = 10
lore = 6
incantation = 5
Merchant = 4

Very different responses from the same person...

[Narhalles]

If you will note I said for a pure PK set right above tha. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s -->


and my set is not Pure PK......



I run with 6-8 whips and lots of other skills instead. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s -->

18 death,air
some life, incantation, meditation and lore.

[Oriso]

I cant really find the part where you said it was pure pk, mind pointing it out to me? lol

[Narhalles]

[quote=&quot;Narhalles&quot;:8cabf]
1st that 25 whips is going to get you killed.....



Whip skill increases 3 things

1: Attack success
2: Damage increase
3: Attack speed


That means you will bump into a shoggie and BOOM! You are dead before you can even react. With 6 whips and an effective 250 HP I have trouble staying alive from recoil because I hit so fast on my whipper.

2nd Does not matter if you have no incnatation or life magic. with your meditation you can heal more efficiently with minor heal than with pots or time. My whipper has only 5ish life and 5ish incnatation. I heal around 20ish hp for 4ish mana. pretty efficient.

personally I would go with more air less death. and throw the 15-20 whips skill into life and incantation.

6 Lore is plenty. that will get you most of the air spells and medium healing.
[/quote:8cabf]


Right before that KoD put up 2 sets... I posted this saying don't use lots of whips. Mabey you were thinking of KoD's sets?

[Oriso]

No... In the Skillset discussion thread ( <!-- l --><a href="http://www.wyverneers.biz/viewtopic.php?t=1137&amp;start=0">viewtopic.p hp?t=1137&amp;start=0</a><!-- l --> ) you posted a build with 25 whips that you &quot;justified&quot;, and now, you say to only use 6 whips or so... I'm pretty confused as to which one you think is better.

[Narhalles]

Okay Oriso that was a disscussion thread. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s --> I wanted to see what everyone thought of a &quot;traditional&quot; Whipper. I have 0 traditional characters.

[b:f082e]@Kingfry[/b:f082e] I am not dillusional, I am not making this up. end of story. Take it or leave it.



Why can't a level 6 do 150 damage? Because a level 6 can't have 18 death, and 18 air. Kingfry have you ever used a static blade with 18 air? I have, I have tested it to see what my damage output is. I know for a fact that I deal around (give or take 25 damage) 150 damage a hit with a level 18 halfling whipper. Could I do more damage with 18 whips? probably. But I would have to sacrifice some death or air to do it which would end up weakening my charachters fighting ability.

If you want to see what a whipper was meant to be, make one with max air max, death, some whips and give him 5-6 lore and some life magic. Try it, it unguilded is just as powerful (if not more so) than a Paladin. Kingfry, I know you have lots of charachters, but they are all TRADITIONAL ones (at least as far as I know, please correct me if I am wrong.) I tried traditional builds, and was dissatisfied by how pathetically wimpy they were. (some aren't, like stonie cavemen. but as a general rule, a traditional build is weak....) so I startedbuilding test charachters, and after extensive testing, made EgoMachine to teach all you older players (like you kingfry, Crinox, and Warcow. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s --> ) the power of whippers. I don't pretend to know everything, infact, there are several types of builds I have no opinion on because I have never tested them. If I have not tried it, I don't talk about it. That way, I can back up all my claims with my player, his abilities, and my test data.

[b:f082e]Kingfry[/b:f082e], I respect you as a person, but if you have never made a set that has max air max death and 5-6 lore please do not say that I am lying. I spent a lot of time fine tuning Egomachines build to maximize his hit power and speed to make him as powerful as posiable.

[b:f082e]Oriso[/b:f082e], All I will say to you now about whippers is this: Believe me when I say that max air/death +6-8 whips +5-6 lore is uber, OR believe kingfry and build a traditional set, OR build one of each and test them against each other.

If anyone wants to seriosly talk about sets then lets talk and discuss. Let's not set down and ridicule someone because he goes against &quot;tradition&quot;. Instead of saying someone is making unjustified claims, let those who have built similar builds discuss the fine points. Kingfry, just because I started playing Wyvern less than a year ago does not mean I know little or nothing about builds. Blackbead who started around 8 months ago (after I did) knows more about certain things than I do. I don't say you or he are morons for posting certain archer sets, or when you discuss the finer points of paladins, because I have never had teh opportunity to test those yet. For all I know, Archers should use blade spells, But see I have no idea if arros can take blade spells..... they probably can't, but I don't know. So I won't amke any claims about those things.

[Narhalles]

well, Sure Ill be there.... lol... but even when players have max shock resist I still deal huge amounts.... (not AS high, but still quite impressive) My whip is so poerful I can take on Diamon Golems.... I can kill Shoggies, Ghasts, AD's. but see, I use two spells on my whip air a fire, with max deaht and max air, and any player can reist one of those, but not all. and only protecting from one hardly affects my damage.

[layzee]

[quote:69f2d]
Why can't a level 6 do 150 damage?
[/quote:69f2d]

myke with two perfect rings and 30 death does about 70 damage per hit

layzee with 25 fire and 5 whips does 50 damage per hit

if you say that about training air is true, your saying is completly different from fire or water


then the base constant for air is added by 20 damage for every skillpoint

by level 30 max air max death and perfect rings with no whip trained, a player would be 600 damage per hit

this is just the base constant increase, not exponential - if you add that instead of base constant, a player would be doing far greater than 600 damager per hit


unless air is decay - which is impossible since you would be doing more damage at level 1 air

&gt;&lt;

[layzee]

to all players:

if you disagree with a player, dont call the players stupid - you show facts and evidence that disprove them

&gt;&lt;

[Narhalles]

I use 18 death, 18 air, and a scroll for flame blade. pluss I also have FW (6-8 somehting around there, I can't remember lol...) and 6-8 whips trained. when I PK I wear 2 perfect whipsman rings. so add it all up and viola 150 per hit is not unreasonable. &gt;.&lt;

[layzee]

[quote:b4378]
I use 18 death, 18 air, and a scroll for flame blade. pluss I also have FW (6-8 somehting around there, I can't remember lol...) and 6-8 whips trained. when I PK I wear 2 perfect whipsman rings. so add it all up and viola 150 per hit is not unreasonable. &gt;.&lt;
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[quote:b4378]
d (=) (c(1 + .035)^s) + (e*w)

this means that all weapons will be different in terms of damage, and will not go over one, if that does happen, with 50 of a skill will give +50 constant, which will unbalance the game
[/quote:b4378]

[quote:b4378]
then the base constant for air is added by 20 damage for every skillpoint

by level 30 max air max death and perfect rings with no whip trained, a player would be 600 damage per hit

this is just the base constant increase, not exponential - if you add that instead of base constant, a player would be doing far greater than 600 damager per hit
[/quote:b4378]

&gt;.&lt;

[layzee]

layzee has 25 fire

if the power of the flame blade scroll was true, layzee would do far more than 70 per hit

find weakness increase the average, not increase damage max

&gt;.&lt;